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November 26, 2012

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Karen Cannon

Wow... My first thought is "awesome assignment" and my second is "wikipedia needs an attitude adjustment" on this one. On the bright side...for me...this will be an excellent teaching moment for me to use in my very own intro to PR course in the spring (though not an honors course, I can use all the brilliant ideas I can get!). Thanks KMR!

Karen Russell

Sending you the assignments in case you want to adapt them for your class. Maybe you'll have better luck with Wikipedia than I did.

Robert French

Excellent, Karen! I particularly love the "15 undergraduates now clearly understand the limits of Wikipedia as a source of information." We had similar experiences, with regard to the quality of entries/articles, while doing the Wikipedia Top Corporations Audit. I'd love to see your assignments/exercises, too. It is a great idea for class projects. And, an aside ... this weekend, "Go Dawgs!"

Karen Russell

Thanks, Robert. Materials on the way right now.

Mjkushin

Very cool assignment!

Gregory Kohs

Dr. Russell, I'm the founder of the world's first and longest-running paid Wikipedia editing service, MyWikiBiz (yes, there's a Wikipedia article about it). You wouldn't believe it, but my contributions and expertise made available to the "CREWE" group were rejected when Phil Gomes blocked my access to the group, because Wikipedia's Jimmy Wales entered a bogus report to Gomes that I was physically threatening Wales. It's a convenient way for Wales to censor critics of Wikipedia -- call them "stalkers" and play the victim card to the hilt. If you're wondering why Wikipedia has such a tumultuous relationship with the PR industry, look no further than Wales (who, ironically, just married a PR executive).

Anyway, I thought you might find interesting two of my articles about gender bias on Wikipedia:

http://www.examiner.com/article/wikipedia-biographies-favor-men

http://www.examiner.com/article/number-of-women-going-down-on-wikipedia

I am currently working on a review of 100 random Wikipedia articles about businesses, to evaluate both the editor who created each article, and the editor who contributed most to the article (sometimes one and the same person). I'm trying to decipher how many Wikipedia articles about businesses have been launched by, or predominantly edited by, persons with a conflict of interest regarding the subject. Care to take a guess at how the data is stacking up?

Karen Russell

At first my class and I thought it was a gender issue, which I still think factored into two of these cases, but when Hill was added to the list we decided it was a PR problem. Either way, it's ridiculous.

Andrea James

I have started biographies on the three people you mention:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doris_Fleischman
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_W._Hill
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jane_Stewart_(executive)

I agree that advertising and PR topics are hard to start, because of the anti-ad stance of the project. My guess is the deletions were due to a failure on the part of you or your students to adhere to policies regarding content. I've asked the editor responsible for deleting Fleischman to reinstate the version they deleted. You are welcome to send me the other bios as they were written so I can review what happened. If you have future problems with deletionists on the project, let me know.

Karen Russell

Thanks for your help, Andrea. The class is finished for the semester but I'll try to get the students to upload the completed versions they sent me for grading purposes, since I couldn't access them on Wikipedia.

I understand Wikipedia's anti-ad stance, but these were factual accounts of historical people/events, not promotional efforts by or for an agency or counselor. I specifically told the students that their role was to improve public understanding of history so they should include both positive and negative information as relevant.

I also provided them with links to Wikipedia's pages advising them on appropriate content, form and style. I saw the messages with my own eyes stating that the PR Review article wasn't a credible source and that Fleischman wasn't significant enough to merit an entry. I advised those teams on how to revise their content to provide evidence of the person's significance and of the journal's authenticity as a peer-reviewed, academic source. Nonetheless, the resubmitted entries were deleted.

The whole experience has been eye-opening.

Andrea James

If this is the submitted article to which you are referring:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/Doris_Fleischman

This is not acceptable under numerous policies. The lede is particularly unacceptable, with no assertion of notability, no vitals, etc. The style is very promotional in tone without providing specific facts, which is a huge red flag to people with no knowledge of a topic. This student did not write this like an encyclopedia article, which is a very dry summary of the key accomplishments of the subject.

The submitted Hill bio is OK in terms of content but needs inline citations:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/John_Wiley_Hill

The submitted Stewart bio is tough because she is the least notable of the three:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/Jane_Stewart_(Public_Relations)

If you would like to assign Wikipedia in the future, we'd love to be more involved in helping. You can visit this page for more on our campus outreach programs:

https://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_Education_Program

I am sorry that your experience was frustrating, which I consider a failure on the part of Wikipedia, not you and your students. Your intentions were great, and your interactions with the project demonstrate that we aren't communicating policies and guidelines properly. I'm also personally available if I can be of assistance, as I have written a ton of bios on people in advertising and PR.

Karen Russell

Again, thanks for your response, Andrea. I know in the Fleischman case the student had to stop work and submitted the entry in hopes it would be saved so she could work on it later, not because she really thought the entry was ready to go. We're finished with class now, so I can't check with the others. But I do know that, particularly on second attempts, the students made a genuine effort to comply with Wikipedia policies.

Karen Russell

Andrea -- one other thing. Is there one particular page you can point to that would help people new to writing Wikipedia entries? Maybe I didn't point them to the most appropriate instructions.

Andrea James

This is a good overview for first-time users:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Your_first_article

This is a good article generator:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Article_wizard

If you create a biography in user space with this text:

{{subst:Biography}}

It will generate a decent template you can complete on a subject.

Guidelines regarding biographical notability are here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability_(people)

You can also copy the code of an existing article and replace text as needed.

Citations are very important for all facts, so others can verify them:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Cite

Let me know if you have additional questions.

Megan

As a long-time Wikipedian, I'd strongly suggest you work with an established editor or two in the future; it will help to make future experiences much less frustrating for you and your students!

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